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| patschum |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 00:25:26
Hello,
here is a newsletters with the next BBR that will be released soon.
BBRC07 Ferrari F430 Challenge " USA" 2007
BBRC09A Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 1994 Yellow
BBRC09B Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 1994 Barchetta Red
BBRC09C Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 1994 Black
BBRC09D Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 1994 White
BBRC14A Fiat 500 cabrio 2009 Pearl White
BBRC14B Fiat 500 cabrio 2009 Rosso sfrontato/Red
BBRC14C Fiat 500 cabrio 2009 Azzurro cuor leggero
BBRC14D Fiat 500 cabrio 2009 Grigio sfrenato
BBRC15A Ferrari Dino 246 GT 1969 Red
BBRC15C Ferrari Dino 246 GT 1969 Metallic Blue
BBRC15E Ferrari Dino 246 GT 1969 Dino Red 301
BBRC16A Maserati MC GT4 Press Paul Ricard 2009
BBRC16B Maserati MC GT4 "AF Corse" 24 H. SPA 2009
BBRC18B Ferrari 430 GT3 Scuderia Kessel GT OPEN ITALIA 2009 Livio -Bontempelli
BBRC18C Ferrari 430 GT3 Scuderia Kessel GT OPEN ITALIA 2009
BBRC18D Ferrari 430 GT3 Scuderia Kessel 6 H. VALLELUNGA 2009 Rossi Valentino car n° 46
BBRC18Y Ferrari 430 GT3 Scuderia Kessel 2009 Yellow
BBRC18BLK Ferrari 430 GT3 Scuderia Kessel 2009 Gloss Black
BBRC18W Ferrari 430 GT3 Scuderia Kessel 2009 White
BBRC19A Ferrari 308 GTB Paris Autoshow 1975 Red
BBRC19B Ferrari 308 GTB 1975 Red
BBRC19C Ferrari 308 GTB 1975 Metal blue
BBRC19D Ferrari 308 GTB 1975 Yellow
BBRC20A Ferrari 330 P4 24 H. Le Mans 1967 First absolute of the category n°21
BBRC20B Ferrari 412 P 24 H. Le Mans 1967 NART n°25
BBRC20C Ferrari 412 P 24 H. Le Mans 1967 Maranello concessionaires n°23
BBRC21A Ferrari 348 GTC/LM Press 1994 Red
BBRC21B Ferrari 348 GTC/LM 24 H. Le Mans 1994 Repsol
BBRC21C Ferrari 348 GTC/LM 24 H. Le Mans 1994 Totip
BBRC22A Ferrari 458 Italia 2009 Red
BBRC22B Ferrari 458 Italia 2009 Giallo Tristrato
BBRC22E2 Ferrari 458 Italia 2010 Matt silverstone Grey
BBRC22MO Ferrari 458 Italia New Version 2009 Metal Orange
BBRC22RG Ferrari 458 Italia 2010 Red 322/Roof Matt Grey
BBRC22CLI Ferrari 458 Italia 2010 Red 322/driver Pilot - Fiorano
BBRC22SAF2 Ferrari 458 Italia 2010 Safety Car Monza 2010
BBRC22WS Ferrari 458 Italia 2010 80th Pininfarina Annivers.
BBRC22VR Ferrari 458 Italia Personal car V. Rossi 2010 Yellow/Roof Matt Black
BBRC27A Porsche Carrera Rs 2.7 1972 White
BBRC27B Porsche Carrera Rs 2.7 1972 Orange
BBRC27C Porsche Carrera Rs 2.7 1972 Black
BBRC28B Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Rosso Alfa 289
BBRC28C Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Nero pastello 805
BBRC28D Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Blu metallizzato 466
BBRC28E Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde 2010 Red Metallic Alfa 8C
BBRC28F Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2010 Metallic pearl white
BBRC28QV Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde 2010 Red Metallic Alfa 8C
BBRC29A Porsche 356A 1955 Silver
BBRC29B Porsche 356A 1955 Black
BBRC29C Porsche 356A 1955 Green
BBRC29D Porsche 356A 1955 Silver
BBRC30 Ferrari F2010 Launch version 2010 Special Edition
BBRC31A Ferrari 250 TR 24 H. Le Mans 1958 Car N° 20
BBRC31B Ferrari 250 TR 24 H. Le Mans 1958 Car N° 58
BBRC31C Ferrari 250 TR 24 H. Le Mans 1958 Car N° 19
BBRC31D Ferrari 250 TR 24 H. Le Mans 1959 Car N° 19
BBRC32A Ferrari P 540 The Golden Ferrari 2010
BBRC32B Ferrari P 540 The Golden Ferrari 2010 Hard Top
BBRC35 Ferrari 599 GTO Special package 2010 "Alcantara Base"
BBRC35B Ferrari 599 GTO 2010 Red 322
BBRC35C Ferrari 599 GTO Livrea Racing 2010 Yellow /Red Stripe
BBRC35D Ferrari 599 GTO Livrea Vintage Racing 2010 Silver/ Yellow Stripe
BBRC36 Ferrari 512 BB LM 24 H. Le Mans 1979 N.A.R.T.
BBRC37 Ferrari 512 BB LM 24 H. Le Mans 1980 Ch. Pozzi - JMS Racing
BBRC38 Ferrari 512 BB LM 24 H. Le Mans 1980 Ch. Pozzi - JMS Racing
BBRC39 Ferrari 512 BB LM 24 H. Le Mans 1982 Pozzi.Ferrari france
BBRC40 Ferrari 512 BB LM 24 H. Le Mans 1981 Simon Phillips
BBRC41A Ferrari F10 G.P. Bahrain 2010 1° Ass. F. Alonso
BBRC41B Ferrari F10 G.P. Bahrain 2010 2° Ass. F. Massa
BBRC42A Ferrari 599XX "Homestead Miami" 2010 Metallic Red - Flag U.S.A.
BBRC42B Ferrari 599XX "Homestead Miami" 2010 Metallic Blue
BBRC42C Ferrari 599XX "Homestead Miami" 2010 Black
BBRC42D Ferrari 599XX "Homestead Miami" 2010 White/Black
BBRC43 Ferrari 599XX Nurburgring 22 aprile 2010 Record 2010
BBRC45A Ferrari F10 G.P. Turkey 2010 F. Alonso
BBRC45A Ferrari F10 G.P. Turkey 2010 F. Massa
BBRC46 Ferrari 458 italia GT2 2010
BBRC47A Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Puma 2010 Red
BBRC47B Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Puma 2010 Monza Red
BBRC48 Ferrari 458 Challenge 2010 Launch Version
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pat |
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| Models123 |
Posted - 09/19/2010 : 09:36:52
This type of practice of BBR and other companies of trying to squeeze every last penny out of a production run model as well as what I consider to be blatant misrepresentation is also why I gave up years ago on many 1:43rds models. BBR is not the only one that can't be trusted, but.....
That said; there are still some honest producers including my own company CMA. When we produce a limited edition model run, it is truly that; just a one time only production run. Only once and NO funny games later with different bases or not telling collectors that there will be several more color versions later, etc. We are up front and honest from the start. I wish other manufacturers were, but that is just not the way of the world. We never overproduce any models; if anything, we actually often under produce, and when the models are gone, well...that's just it.... they are gone, and considered rare and collectible.
Marshall |
| Lars T. |
Posted - 09/19/2010 : 08:57:22
quote:
Originally posted by moriaan
Its hard to tell what the future will bring, I never thought factorybuilt AMR's and LP's would be worth what they are now..
In time collectables will increase in value.
Especially old BBR's will go up as the demand will grow.
Hans
So what´s the view on the value development of the RGM BBR´s especially? Are they considered to be more special (so worth more in the future?) than the regular BBR´s or is there no difference? And does a leather base have any influence on expected future values? I´m certainly not collecting as an investment, but the possibility of a future increase in value might make some purchases easier to justify for myself :)
Ciao,
Lars T. |
| 250GTE |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 15:00:56
As long as there are people who love exotic and vintage cars and as long as there are people that can appreciate quality over quantity, there will be a demand for high end modelcars. Take me for example, I prefer cars that were made far before I was even born. |
| moriaan |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 13:33:13
Its hard to tell what the future will bring, I never thought factorybuilt AMR's and LP's would be worth what they are now..
In time collectables will increase in value.
Especially old BBR's will go up as the demand will grow.
Hans |
| ferrari4evr1 |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 12:44:54
quote:
Originally posted by Trossi
AMR and LP models are already extremely high priced and I doubt that they will increase even more. In the long term the prices will fall as there are not so many young people interested in that stuff. Same with Schuco and other tin toys.
That holds some truth too Trossi. I agree with that statement a little bit but maybe there will be some younger generation collectors out there, that will appreciate these cars for what they are? Also recognizing the significant differences between a hand built in Italy, France etc., compared to a mass production Hot wheels?
This has also been discussed with regard to the 1:1 cars (Ferrari's, Bugatti's, Duesenbergs etc.)as well, on various other forums...
James |
| Trossi |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 12:02:54
quote:
Originally posted by ferrari4evr1
Hey Paul, i completely agree with you. Older BBR, AMR and Le Phoenix models will sky rocket in prices some day.
James
AMR and LP models are already extremely high priced and I doubt that they will increase even more. In the long term the prices will fall as there are not so many young people interested in that stuff. Same with Schuco and other tin toys. |
| 250GTE |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 11:10:39
Thanks christian. I wasn't aware of RGM CAR19. Wouldn't be the first time a model which I discussed with Pascal ends up under the RGM label. I'll asume it is a coincidence. |
| moriaan |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:58:55
I measured both models, and they are exactly the same size.
Marnix, I must agree with you to a point...
BBR needs to make a living from selling models and thats okay.
I understand what they are doing. Selling more at lower margins, and increasing production, using low laborcost is one way.
The other way is exclusivity at higher prices.
There is an eminent danger in the strategy BBR has chosen.
Lately, the favor of their "regular loyal longtime clientele" is shifting! The exclusivity BBR was known for,is fading away because of their strategy.
The experienced collector now turns to RGM's and older brands like LP and AMR. To them, the number of items in the collection is not important, quality and rarity is! Hence the success of Barnett, Suber and other "superbuilders"
Its one of the reasons why prices of older handbuilts have gone up in recent time. Collecting is gathering special unique items. When a collector is looking at other collections, he is not looking for similar items, NO he wants to show-off rare items other collectors would love to have! Uniqueness is what we all are looking for in this hobby!
I seriously think the bbr's are still superb.
But you see them everywhere and values drop like brick!
I turn to RGM and old SM/BBR's, amr's and alike. The flood of FXXés, Enzo's and other modern cars are passing my door.
I think BBR has a difficult road ahead...
Hans
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| christian |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:50:52
quote:
Originally posted by 250GTE
Where is it on the list? I don't see it. And mind you, a 330 America is a different car from the 330 GT 2+2 (which BBR has done in al sorts of colors and specifications).
Why would 09437 in its Sebring 1967 specs be something for Rainer? Didn't BBR offer the Spider NART themselves as well? I talked about this with Pascal of Calsito and as far as I understand, BBR were not willing to do it, allthough they do already have the correct color, correct wheels and I assume it wouldn't be a problem for them to create the correct decals and rollbar tubes. This is a historically important car.
RGM Car 19
and of course 330 America and not 2+2 sorry
BBR has an own machine to print decals
making models form a mould that is already payed gives the thing they want : money
i dont know why they wont do it
and our dutch friend has a very well connection to BBR |
| 250GTE |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:42:27
Where is it on the list? I don't see it. And mind you, a 330 America is a different car from the 330 GT 2+2 (which BBR has done in al sorts of colors and specifications).
Why would 09437 in its Sebring 1967 specs be something for Rainer? Didn't BBR offer the Spider NART themselves as well? I talked about this with Pascal of Calsito and as far as I understand, BBR were not willing to do it, allthough they do already have the correct color, correct wheels and I assume it wouldn't be a problem for them to create the correct decals and rollbar tubes. This is a historically important car. |
| christian |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:24:59
quote:
Originally posted by 250GTE
As most of you I am not the biggest fan of the re-releases, unless they offer a significant improvement (and even then, the older ones will probably maintain their appeal). On the other hand, I can understand BBR as well. They are a commercial company and they first need to make money before they can offer us other great models. I just wish BBR would be a little more creative with their model range. I can't -of example- understand why BBR doesn't offer a 330 America. They could do that with very little change over their current 250GTE. Or why they haven't included the 275 GTS Spider NART 09437 in her 1967 Sebring livery in their Spider NART-range.
330 GT 2+2 is on the list
275 GTB Spyder is something for Rainer ..... |
| christian |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:22:53
the RGM Car 24 will be dark blue as the car is today
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| ferrari4evr1 |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 08:26:30
quote:
Originally posted by Pwylie1
so true all of this , one of the reasons im fed up with 1/43 and one of the resons i decided to sell a lot of my collection - the market has been flooded with specials that are so numerous they are not special .in time these newer BBR's will be worthless but the older ones will be the sought after examples --we will see an explosian of prices like we have in AMR /LP Stuff . in tough times collectors
find themseleves spending more for leather base and box than for the model car -
Hey Paul, i completely agree with you. Older BBR, AMR and Le Phoenix models will sky rocket in prices some day. Not sure why BBR feels the need to make the same model on different bases and call it "special." To the serious collector, there is nothing "special" about it.. Not good for BBR in the long term.
Christian, RGM will be re-creating the Prince 250 car as RGM24? Didn't BBR already do this car (shown in Hans pictures\collection)? Or will RGM do it in a different color?
James
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| 250GTE |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 08:16:48
As most of you I am not the biggest fan of the re-releases, unless they offer a significant improvement (and even then, the older ones will probably maintain their appeal). On the other hand, I can understand BBR as well. They are a commercial company and they first need to make money before they can offer us other great models. I just wish BBR would be a little more creative with their model range. I can't -of example- understand why BBR doesn't offer a 330 America. They could do that with very little change over their current 250GTE. Or why they haven't included the 275 GTS Spider NART 09437 in her 1967 Sebring livery in their Spider NART-range. |
| vova43 |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 07:45:29
quote:
Originally posted by moriaan
I am not at home right now, but judging the pics and what I know, they are from the same master....
Thank you, Hans, for good photos of nice models. Yes, bodies looks identical. Waiting for your measurement... |
