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| Radical Racing |
Posted - 09/20/2010 : 12:52:51
Hi Lars:
I can see how it can all get confusing. There has been a lot going on behind the scences in the model industry. In my opinion the BBR Cocept43 models from China are BBR's reaction to the Looksmart range made in China for MR. There are other threads that can tell the story of the HUGE bad blood between the brothers Reali. This might be a fight for survival.
When starting a handbuilt collection, my recomendation unless you have unlimited funds, is to clearly define your goal(s). Take it from one who didn't. 4000+ models later I realize that collector's madness finds a way to seep in and send one off in lots of expensive directions.
If your goal is for investment value, then stay away from BBR, Makeup, Looksmart etc.
If your goal is to document a certain segment of the Ferrari story, then buy the best model of the car you can find regardless of the brand name or price within your budget. You're the only one that has to look at it. At present I think you will find most collectors on this forum believe Makeup is winning the quality battle. However their range is limited and plaqued by late releases. I expect that to get better as they have built their own factory rather then relying on subcontractors.
If you want to build a collection based on Ferrari's and a model brand name, then you pretty much have only two choices, AMR or BBR. AMR's are rare and now expensive. BBR is not so expensive and there is a wide range of models to choose from.
It doesn't sound as if you are looking to go super high end. If you are there is no better place to find them than from Miniwerks.
Again define your goal and try to be patient. I have a lot of duplicates that I wish I had not purchased because something better came out.
Todd
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| 15 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Performance |
Posted - 06/13/2012 : 01:27:41
Very interesting topic!
For myself I only collect models of Frederic Suber, simply because I like the quality of the Suberfactory models. From now I try only collect Suberfactory Aston Martin models, but sometimes also other famous classic cars such as Mercedes 300SL, Lamborghini Miura, Ferrari 250GTO and Jaguar XJ13. But the priority is always Aston Martin.
In the past I collected MR, BBR and AutoBarn models...but since I picked up my first Suber models (DBR1 & DB4 GT Zagato, and thanks to Mike), then I was sold and since I collect only Suberfactory models.
Currently my collection covers 15 Suberfactory models. For me quality is more and more important than quantity. I never have hurry to expand my collection. Each year I will buy minimal 2 Suberfactory models, that is for me good enough.
I know the Suberfactory models are not cheap (certainly in comparison with models made by BBR or MR), but the passion of Freds work and the quality of the models gives me a good feeling and that is for me important enough. All that really matters is just enjoy your own collection and feel the emotions and passions of the miniature artworks.
Have fun with in collecting models!!
Never drive faster than your guadrian angel! |
| Telinoz |
Posted - 06/10/2012 : 03:03:39
Hi,
New to this forum, so first off hello to all.
I am very new in this Hobby, I bought my first 4 cars last weekend on 2nd June 2012.
Since then, my desire to reach my first goal is in full flow and I have 10 cars on order awaiting delivery.
I came across this website and forum a week ago and have been using it and others to find top model makers, top end factories, mid range models and the entry level items in white metal, resin and diecast.
I knew my goal before buying my first model.
About 4 weeks before buying my first few models I put together a photo gallery of all my favourite Road Cars - both Production and Concepts since I can remember (not to give away my age, but basically 30+ years of memories).
So, with 49 photos of my favourites which are also in the colours I like down to the year and variation in some cases I now had a shopping list.
Some go back to 1950's to current.
Some of these cars are in a special place for me, so I also worked out which ones I desired the most down to ones I really like but don't stop me in my tracks if I see one.
This ranking for me then determined how much I would likely spend on each model.
So at the top end I will try and find the best examples, hand made or rare limited editions.
Now, it's not just about value for me. The model has to be the most accurate representation at 1/43 scale I can find. As a bi-product it often ends up being the most expensive anyway!
Make Up, Looksmart, FrontiArt, BBR, MR have covered some of my favourites but the top 3 cars I like I have looked into real top end.
I had a chat with MOMO Factory (Kazuhiko Momose) and got a price on one model in particular. Certainly more then I expected, but his work stands out to me. That one I will have to save up for, along with the other top 2.
I think once I reach my goal of getting these first 49 cars, some I may look at replacing as time goes on.
A few I've only found one maker, so no choice in some cases!
As new cars come out and are in the magazines I read, TV I watch etc I'm sure my list will be added to. The Aventador J was one recently, already found and ordered one of those!
The next collection I will look at is for 1/43 Racing cars.
I love F1 of all era's, Le Mans, Rally are next inline.
Like my road car list, I will collect information and photos on all the models I've like in the past growing up watching the racing.
The fun collection I started at the same time as my Roadcar collection are Movie / TV cars and vehicles.
Easy to make this list, I just look at my BluRay/DVD collection!
For all 3 collections, I have started to compile a spreadsheet with photo of real car and it's stats and then the models I've been looking at along with a photo of the final one I buy.
I also ordered one 8.8cm rotating display.
I plan on seeing if I can produce my own version in a custom display 5 x 5 for 25 cars that can each be rotated at the flick of a switch all behind Acrylic for dust protection. No need to handle the models then once you can see all angles.
The boxes will be kept in a safe place, but I want to see my models clearly and some boxes are not meant for that. I certainly won't be a collector who never opens a box!
So my final goal is 3 collections, each to be displayed in a different part of the house. |
| Eagle |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 11:59:08
Germany:
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| Eagle |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 11:55:39
Japan:
Italy:
Germany:
US:
China???:
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| 360driver |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 11:45:02
that is why they call it Deutsche Grunlichkeit.... |
| zuoscrib |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 11:09:11
quote:
Originally posted by Mazmatt
words of a true Italian Piero (if indeed you are Italian!). That's why I drive an Italian car - only they can deliver emotion which I have learned having owned many great German and Japanese cars
The smallest car are built in Japan, the biggest in the US.
The ugliest in China, the most beautiful in Italy,
but the BEST in Germany!
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| pierotecchio63 |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 08:05:28
In my opinion the top builders from Japan can give emotions no one else can offer... |
| ferrari4evr1 |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 08:19:05
quote:
Originally posted by pierotecchio63
On models, however, I think that emotions are on the Japanese side....
I find that the French offer some emotions as well. I recently started collecting Le Phoenix and AMR and they are spectacular, to say the least....
They are slightly bigger than BBR and Make up models but I only have a few of them so, it really isn't that noticable.
James |
| pierotecchio63 |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 01:10:21
Yes, indeed I am a true Italian.
And indeed you are right when you say that Italina cars give emotions.
On models, however, I think that emotions are on the Japanese side.... |
| Mazmatt |
Posted - 01/03/2011 : 19:03:53
words of a true Italian Piero (if indeed you are Italian!). That's why I drive an Italian car - only they can deliver emotion which I have learned having owned many great German and Japanese cars |
| zimodels |
Posted - 01/03/2011 : 02:08:02
I prefer to BBR and MR models, and Eidolon, LookSmart, Concept, Tron and easy all hand-made model in 1/43. But none of AMR, which are too big! For me important to have any type of Ferrari, but should be real, not fantasy models (or only exceptions). I collect for myself and have been for 24 years and I have a lot of hand-built Ferrari models. Every collector should buy what makes people happy and pay what they can. I've seen every day of fun my collection. For me, BBR and Eidolon is still the best thing there is! Unfortunately, the great MR models have become rare, and fortunately, I have many. So, happy collecting and I have to look for more space in case! Sorry for my bad English .........
Daniel |
| pierotecchio63 |
Posted - 01/02/2011 : 09:46:57
Interesting topic!
First a bit of history...
I started some 30 years ago buying a Ferrari 308 GTB by FDS.
Slowly my goals have changed "subtly"...
I started collecting every 308 that has been produced in 1/43, then slowly changed to every Ferrari I liked.
Then Bosica released the 356 Coupe and so I started collecting even other cars than Ferraris.
Anyway I collected every 308 and 355.
Then McLaren released the F1 GTR and that became my goal. I think that before starting selling them I had the biggest collection around of that car (including all the Minichamps, and last but not least 3 Kamimuras, 1 Momose, 1 Barnett and 1 Shimoma).
That leads the ultimate change in my collection... Quality
I focused on Japanese builders or top quality ones around the world.
I never meant to gain money from the models I bought. Only emotions.
So it will be a never ending story, until I can feel emotions.
So the goal is simply to gain emotions. |
| mymodel |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 17:32:11
My goal of my collection should be
1)I like the car
2)The car contributed a lot to auto history
3)The detail of model is important.
Therefore, I spent around a few thousands dollar for a 1/43 Ferrari 250GTO. The kit was manufactured by Makeup and build by Frederic. From now on, I will not buy any BBR or MR models. I think the model by Davis & Giovanni is much better. |
| SteveK |
Posted - 10/04/2010 : 19:40:04
This is a good excercise just to ask myself "what is the goal of my collection?"
1. 1/43 scale very high quality hand built model cars
a. F1 (Not every car! Emphasis on cars of the mid 60s to mid 90s
and superdetailed. Subjects I like, World Champion cars)
b. Le Mans type race cars (emphasis on late 60s through
70s...Porsches and Ferraris, superdetailed)
c. Misc. road and racing cars that I like
d. Examples of the work of exceptional builders, exceptional
examples of the art of 1/43 model auto building
( Bosica, Brauer, Barnett, Fadini, Suber, Dufrene,
Bouissou, Kamimura, Divies, AMR, etc...as my budget
will allow...this gets expensive!)
2. Exceptional kits in the above categories for building by myself
or others.
I try to limit myself to a number of models that I can display properly...I have added cabinet space over the years, so my collection has grown. But I don't want models sitting in their boxes in the closet. (I likely have around 100 handbuilts now...some limit huh ;)
As to earlier comments about self control...it is harder now. Some of you I know can remember the days before the internet! We had publications from Tron in Italy (TSSK), Photorific, Model Car Messenger, eventually 4 Small Wheels, anyone remember Traders' Horn?
Prior to 4 Small Wheels, the photography was not great and of course these only came to our door once a month.
Today we have a "parade" of incredible quality images of even more incredible quality products that can be displayed on our computer screens 24/7. We have easy access to an amazing variety of wares. When we want to pay for something, we can send payment across the globe with the click of our mouse (assuming there is money in the bank, or soon will be!) I can remember sending letters back and forth to Europe, then having to go to the bank for a cashier's check in Lira, and sending it, hoping it got there and all would be OK. The process could take months, and we were not always sure what we would be getting from the black and white photo we saw.
I am not complaining...we all have it great now...but it can make it harder to control our appetites! |
| the.x.man |
Posted - 10/04/2010 : 18:15:31
I really wish I had the self-discipline to collect objectively like that...
Ideally, I would stick to just three categories:
1930's French Streamliners,
LSR,
Lamborghini.
Unfortunately though, I like too many other cars to ignore them when models of them are released (a large number of Ferraris, various Porsches, etc, as well as vintage and unusual cars).
While I have quite a few fantasy models, I also like having models of subjects with interesting stories behind them - like my MCM Top Queens 1907 Walter-Christie: the first front wheel drive car and raced against a plane by Barney Oldfield. Or, speaking of aircraft, my Nieuport Ni17, flown by Count Baracca in WW1, which had the prancing horse isignia that became the 'Cavalino Rampant' used by Ferrari. This is also partly why I am so interested in LSR vehicles, they all have such colourful histories - even in modern times.
I would also like to collect a large number models of cars raced by New Zealanders. Obviously McLaren would play a large part in this, but also Denny Hulme and Chris Amon.
Concept cars are also a subject that interest me greatly, but one that have found to be almost impossible to keep up with.
Colour can be a strong attraction for me - for example, I bought a BBR Ferrari 599XX in dark metallic red, simply because it is such a stunning colour. The car itself was of less interest to me and if not for the colour, I would not have bothered with it. Now if that is not a definition of insanity, then what is?!
So, this is why my original collecting goals went from three, to six or seven, then spread out all over the place - almost to the point where those orignal three have become buried.
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The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches!
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