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PeterW
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 Posted - 04/20/2012 : 07:52:05
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In reading an article on the 4 Litre GTO from Cavallino I noticed this comment under the photo of the interior.
Deep bucket seats were meant to keep you from thrashing around in the cockpit, while, presumably, you were thrashing the car around a race course. A single lap belt kept you from leaving the seat entirely. Remember, at this time, slipping and sliding through a corner was still the norm, and staying squarely in the seat was a priority.
I rarely, if ever, have seen this in a model. Esprit43 GTO kits have pe seatbelts on the sheet.
And in this article the author mentions two times the fact that it had no seatbelt.
http://www.insideline.com/ferrari/250-gto/flat-out-in-the-ferrari-250-gto.html |
Edited by - PeterW on 04/20/2012 08:04:34 |
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christian
Austria
443 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 10:57:46
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from the 250 GT book by Jess G Pourret
3851GT - driver Oreiller - Monthlèry 1962
to win time after the start he did not fix the belts
the only fatal accident in GTO racing
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 17:15:10
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OK...but did the factory fit the car with belts or did the owner/team?
That's is the question, and it could have been "if he had a belt".
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2012 : 11:52:32
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I have received information from a prior GTO owner and he said they had no seat belts at that time, period.
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dark star
Spain
413 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2012 : 13:47:27
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Hi Peter
You can see the inside of a standard version pic ,with safety belts.
This picture is published in the Jess Pourret book.
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Edited by - dark star on 04/21/2012 13:48:42 |
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2012 : 14:14:07
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OK...I don't see any in the first picture and the second one is set up with a small camera on board...and those may be holding the camera in place.
Here's the deal...I don't think they had them...that's just my opinion on my research so far. I am open to further proof ;)
Second is this...where would they have attached/grounded the belts? There was no "roll cage per say, the floors were aluminum, etc. For a belt to be effective it has to be attached to something substantial. It can't be attached to the seat otherwise you would just go away with the seat like a jet pilot ;)
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2012 : 16:56:50
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Here is an interesting read... apparently the FIA didn't start a study until 1967...so I assume none were used in the early 60's, especially in enclosed cockpits. And pay special attention to the part about mounting points.
http://www.benchapman.com/project/history2.html |
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christian
Austria
443 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 01:35:23
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3851GT
built September
raced Oktober with seat belts
I don't know if the car was built with seat belts
but she had them in the second race one month later
I think you have the same problem
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 07:33:57
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quote:
Originally posted by christian
3851GT
built September
raced Oktober with seat belts
I don't know if the car was built with seat belts
but she had them in the second race one month later
I think you have the same problem
Not sure what that means but where did you get your information.This is research, not a question of who is right or wrong.
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christian
Austria
443 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 07:41:57
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information is from 250 GT Jess G pourret book
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glengorse
United Kingdom
230 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 08:06:12
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Hi Peter,
The saga continues... I use 'Ferrari 250GTO' by Jess Pourret as my bible and within you can see this reference that 'all cars were supplied with 3 point seat belts'.... now I have never seen any period photos (and I have seen a lot) with anyone 250GTO mounted wearing them!... but can only assume they all left the factory with them fitted..
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glengorse
United Kingdom
230 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 08:07:33
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glengorse
United Kingdom
230 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 08:08:57
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Peter, not sure that this helps but certainly seems to indicate that 3 point seat belts were provided.... whether they were used????..
David H. |
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 14:53:10
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Originally posted by glengorse
Peter, not sure that this helps but certainly seems to indicate that 3 point seat belts were provided.... whether they were used????..
David H.
Geese...those seats look as flimsy as lawn chairs! But why don't I see seat belts?
Thanks David,but again I am getting mixed information. I had a GTO owner state that they were not put in at the factory. I think you have it pretty close because the general opinion back then was to avoid wearing the belts for fear of getting trapped in the car in the event of an accident. This is mentioned in the benchapman.com link I provided and also a similar comment was made on FerrariChat:
Seat belts were still rare in the 60's even though Volvo introduced the 3-Points earlier.
Back in the 50's and 60's it was considered to be safer not to wear a seatbelt in race cars because in case of an accident you would get thrown out of the car or you would have no trouble to climb out without loosing the belt first and avoid getting burned to death.
Thankfully the human brain has evolved a little bit in 40-50 years, at least regarding car safety.
I see that Ferrari attached the seat frames directly to the chassis tubing so this was thought out, I imagine a 3 point seat belt would have been a sensible addition.
I know this is a somewhat anal subject but in respect of getting as many details correct it's best to explore these things.
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 15:45:50
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Here's a great video from Goodwood 2010, even in this event the car had no seatbelts!...and note the pvc pipes for vents [clearly not original] and the exposed wiper cables on the dash...another detail!
Most of all, enjoy the sounds! I had owned a 308 for about a year and it had the same effect on me...just nothing like a Ferrari V8 or V12 at high revs. I really miss it :(
[thanks for the link Eddy]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=apSsJt3zoE8&feature=endscreen
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PeterW
USA
1216 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 16:14:58
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quote:
Originally posted by glengorse
Peter, not sure that this helps but certainly seems to indicate that 3 point seat belts were provided.... whether they were used????..
David H.
Have you read Pritchard's book? |
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Seat belt in a GTO...or not?
