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Ferrarinut
USA
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 Posted - 05/16/2010 : 09:57:07
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| Paolo, sorry I went off on you. I would only ask that you think more carefully next time and I will not be so quick to go off next time. :-) |
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Trossi
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Posted - 05/16/2010 : 10:44:45
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I think, the important points have been said. Criticism is very important if it is "construcive" - only pleasing each other and overpraise everything doesnt help anyone. But Mikes business has to be respected.
Regarding the topic I have to agree that the shapes of the GTO and the P4 are amongst the hardest to get right. Looking forward to see Brauers interpretation as well. |
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Paolo Tron
Italy
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 07:37:43
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Paolo Tron
Italy
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 07:46:17
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@ Ferrarinut
Knee-jerk reaction?
The fact, my friend, is that you bla-bla-bla and you know nothing.
I am not a dealer anymore. I closed my shop back in June 2004.
I am involved with something else now: www.fitnessclassy.it.
Even though I sadly make gifts in ebay with the id "tronpaolo" selling the last part of my HUGE stock of "Milano 43" shop.
So, dear friend, why saying what you are saying if you don't know
anything about.
You talk about hypocrisy.
Wow....I can be a lot of things but NOT and hypocrit.
Do you want to know why I won't buy this model?
Because by far, I prefer the Annecy/AMR model.
That is "the one" P4 in this scale, Sir.
Too, my criticism has nothing to do with MiniWerks -- Mike knows that I truly respect him as being one of the best dealers on "special models" (he was n° 2 until 2004....ah ah ah....)
Have a nice day !! |
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Paolo Tron
Italy
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 08:24:55
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...you normally would say:
whoops !
I am new in this forum.
Took the decision to be in, because of a link with another Modelcars Forum in Italy.
I didn't know "ferrarinut" was you Mike.
I am glad my reaction will appear as pure as it can possibly be.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding but I confirm my considerations regarding this Make Up modelcar.
On the other hand it must be weird to handle a public Forum having a privately owned commercial website.
You must be proud to accept "opinions" from all over the World which have no relationship to selling interests whatsoever. |
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Ferrarinut
USA
1489 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 08:42:30
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| Hi Paolo, no problem. As I said, I agree with your criticism, more about the ride height. My only problem was that most collectors around the World know who you are and respect your opinion, you have tremendous experience in this hobby. I know you are not a dealer now but your name and reputation are very famous with collectors. I reacted too quickly. It is certainly fair to say "I would not buy this model for my collection" and I am sure there are collectors/customers who will choose not to buy but when the person saying this is a very famous dealer the comment can be interpreted differently. I hope you continue to share your wealth of knowledge for our little hobby and you are welcome any time. All is well. Best regards, Mike |
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moriaan
Netherlands
510 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 09:17:25
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Great to see all is well, it got pretty hot here!
Paolo,
you introduced me into collecting handbuilt models!
Youre TSSK got me hooked. In 1988 I read an add in Cavallino, that made me order my first TSSK (still use them as a reference)
The first modell was a "dented" milano43 166MM barchetta.
You are also the reason for me to start collecting 1:14 models ( I have several HE14's). Those were different times without the internet.Youre catalogue was awesome! Thanks
Mike, at the moment Miniwerks is just as influential as TSSK was, but nowadays communicating is (fortunately) a lot easier..
Hans
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Paolo Tron
Italy
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 09:29:47
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Thanks so much Mike.
I am really glad all was clarified.
Thanks for your kind words, too.
I feel that customers will appreciate our help in choosing the "very best" -- this P4 is not for some of us? No problems. We had ot have or will have another chance.
Special modelcars collecting is still hot worldwide and quality always pays. Always.
@Moriaan
thanks Hans -- sei molto gentile...very kind of yours.
I am glad I could be "the guy" with my TSSK. Good old days.
Even though my days are still very good even today. Even now.
Ciao e grazie!
Paolo |
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abelhobby
Mexico
98 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 21:30:20
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Hello guys, can anyone tell me the difference between the 330 P4 and 412P, they shape looks very similar,
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abelhobby
Mexico
98 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 21:31:35
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Hello guys, can anyone tell me the difference between the 330 P4 and 412P, they shape looks very similar,
Thanks
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audifan
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 22:33:56
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Copied from different sources on the internet:
The Ferrari 412P was a "customer version" of the famous 330 P3 race car, built for independent teams like Scuderia Filippinetti. These cars had carburetor engines instead of the factory Lucas fuel injection.The P4 looked nearly identical to the 330 P3, but had some significant mechanical changes. The engine block was strengthened, the heads got three valves per cylinder instead of two, and the fuel-injection pipes were repositioned.The chassis was modified and used a shorter wheelbase and wider track. The brakes were repositioned for improved cooling, and the gearbox was redesigned.
Privateers in ’67 were offered the 330 P3/4, also known as the Ferrari 412 P. These were 330 P3s brought up to 330 P4 specifications, though they had Weber carburetors rather than fuel injection and continued with an updated version of the P3’s gearbox. Visually, the Ferrari 330 P4 and 412 P were identical.
There are only 2 cars that were originally built as 412P's 0850 and 0854. 0844 and 0848 were originally P3 Factory Racecars but when Ferrari sold them to customers they removed the Lucas Mechanical Fuel Injection and replaced it with Webber Carburetor's which reduced their output,This kept the factory cars more competitive in an effort to capture more points. The factory cars at this time was a P3 with chassis 0846 and three P4's with chassis 0856, 0858, and 0860.
The P3's and 412P had the same 4 liter block which is different from the P4 4 liter block and all had P3 not P4 chassis. P 3/4 0846 is unique having, after modification by Ferrari for the 1967 race season, a P3 chassis with a P4 engine.
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Ferrari2006
Germany
352 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 22:54:09
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Ciao Paolo, hello Hans
what is TSSK ?? |
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audifan
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 23:12:48
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TSSK was Mr.Tron's magazine/catalog,sort of like Four small wheels,listing models,with some articles......(in Italian)
For an example of an issue from the early '80's see ebay #120568594620
(interestingly enough on further investigation,offered by Mr.Tron himself....);-) |
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audifan
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 23:26:36
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Remember P3
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audifan
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 23:28:56
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Make-Up 330 P4 - PICS
