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ferrari4evr1
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 Posted - 09/18/2010 : 08:26:30
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Originally posted by Pwylie1
so true all of this , one of the reasons im fed up with 1/43 and one of the resons i decided to sell a lot of my collection - the market has been flooded with specials that are so numerous they are not special .in time these newer BBR's will be worthless but the older ones will be the sought after examples --we will see an explosian of prices like we have in AMR /LP Stuff . in tough times collectors
find themseleves spending more for leather base and box than for the model car -
Hey Paul, i completely agree with you. Older BBR, AMR and Le Phoenix models will sky rocket in prices some day. Not sure why BBR feels the need to make the same model on different bases and call it "special." To the serious collector, there is nothing "special" about it.. Not good for BBR in the long term.
Christian, RGM will be re-creating the Prince 250 car as RGM24? Didn't BBR already do this car (shown in Hans pictures\collection)? Or will RGM do it in a different color?
James
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christian
Austria
443 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:22:53
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the RGM Car 24 will be dark blue as the car is today
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christian
Austria
443 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:24:59
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Originally posted by 250GTE
As most of you I am not the biggest fan of the re-releases, unless they offer a significant improvement (and even then, the older ones will probably maintain their appeal). On the other hand, I can understand BBR as well. They are a commercial company and they first need to make money before they can offer us other great models. I just wish BBR would be a little more creative with their model range. I can't -of example- understand why BBR doesn't offer a 330 America. They could do that with very little change over their current 250GTE. Or why they haven't included the 275 GTS Spider NART 09437 in her 1967 Sebring livery in their Spider NART-range.
330 GT 2+2 is on the list
275 GTB Spyder is something for Rainer ..... |
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250GTE
Netherlands
295 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:42:27
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Where is it on the list? I don't see it. And mind you, a 330 America is a different car from the 330 GT 2+2 (which BBR has done in al sorts of colors and specifications).
Why would 09437 in its Sebring 1967 specs be something for Rainer? Didn't BBR offer the Spider NART themselves as well? I talked about this with Pascal of Calsito and as far as I understand, BBR were not willing to do it, allthough they do already have the correct color, correct wheels and I assume it wouldn't be a problem for them to create the correct decals and rollbar tubes. This is a historically important car. |
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christian
Austria
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Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:50:52
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Originally posted by 250GTE
Where is it on the list? I don't see it. And mind you, a 330 America is a different car from the 330 GT 2+2 (which BBR has done in al sorts of colors and specifications).
Why would 09437 in its Sebring 1967 specs be something for Rainer? Didn't BBR offer the Spider NART themselves as well? I talked about this with Pascal of Calsito and as far as I understand, BBR were not willing to do it, allthough they do already have the correct color, correct wheels and I assume it wouldn't be a problem for them to create the correct decals and rollbar tubes. This is a historically important car.
RGM Car 19
and of course 330 America and not 2+2 sorry
BBR has an own machine to print decals
making models form a mould that is already payed gives the thing they want : money
i dont know why they wont do it
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moriaan
Netherlands
510 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 09:58:55
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I measured both models, and they are exactly the same size.
Marnix, I must agree with you to a point...
BBR needs to make a living from selling models and thats okay.
I understand what they are doing. Selling more at lower margins, and increasing production, using low laborcost is one way.
The other way is exclusivity at higher prices.
There is an eminent danger in the strategy BBR has chosen.
Lately, the favor of their "regular loyal longtime clientele" is shifting! The exclusivity BBR was known for,is fading away because of their strategy.
The experienced collector now turns to RGM's and older brands like LP and AMR. To them, the number of items in the collection is not important, quality and rarity is! Hence the success of Barnett, Suber and other "superbuilders"
Its one of the reasons why prices of older handbuilts have gone up in recent time. Collecting is gathering special unique items. When a collector is looking at other collections, he is not looking for similar items, NO he wants to show-off rare items other collectors would love to have! Uniqueness is what we all are looking for in this hobby!
I seriously think the bbr's are still superb.
But you see them everywhere and values drop like brick!
I turn to RGM and old SM/BBR's, amr's and alike. The flood of FXXés, Enzo's and other modern cars are passing my door.
I think BBR has a difficult road ahead...
Hans
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250GTE
Netherlands
295 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 11:10:39
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| Thanks christian. I wasn't aware of RGM CAR19. Wouldn't be the first time a model which I discussed with Pascal ends up under the RGM label. I'll asume it is a coincidence. |
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Trossi
232 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 12:02:54
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Originally posted by ferrari4evr1
Hey Paul, i completely agree with you. Older BBR, AMR and Le Phoenix models will sky rocket in prices some day.
James
AMR and LP models are already extremely high priced and I doubt that they will increase even more. In the long term the prices will fall as there are not so many young people interested in that stuff. Same with Schuco and other tin toys. |
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ferrari4evr1
USA
297 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 12:44:54
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Originally posted by Trossi
AMR and LP models are already extremely high priced and I doubt that they will increase even more. In the long term the prices will fall as there are not so many young people interested in that stuff. Same with Schuco and other tin toys.
That holds some truth too Trossi. I agree with that statement a little bit but maybe there will be some younger generation collectors out there, that will appreciate these cars for what they are? Also recognizing the significant differences between a hand built in Italy, France etc., compared to a mass production Hot wheels?
This has also been discussed with regard to the 1:1 cars (Ferrari's, Bugatti's, Duesenbergs etc.)as well, on various other forums...
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moriaan
Netherlands
510 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 13:33:13
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Its hard to tell what the future will bring, I never thought factorybuilt AMR's and LP's would be worth what they are now..
In time collectables will increase in value.
Especially old BBR's will go up as the demand will grow.
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250GTE
Netherlands
295 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2010 : 15:00:56
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| As long as there are people who love exotic and vintage cars and as long as there are people that can appreciate quality over quantity, there will be a demand for high end modelcars. Take me for example, I prefer cars that were made far before I was even born. |
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Lars T.
Germany
21 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2010 : 08:57:22
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Originally posted by moriaan
Its hard to tell what the future will bring, I never thought factorybuilt AMR's and LP's would be worth what they are now..
In time collectables will increase in value.
Especially old BBR's will go up as the demand will grow.
Hans
So what´s the view on the value development of the RGM BBR´s especially? Are they considered to be more special (so worth more in the future?) than the regular BBR´s or is there no difference? And does a leather base have any influence on expected future values? I´m certainly not collecting as an investment, but the possibility of a future increase in value might make some purchases easier to justify for myself :)
Ciao,
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Models123
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2010 : 09:36:52
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This type of practice of BBR and other companies of trying to squeeze every last penny out of a production run model as well as what I consider to be blatant misrepresentation is also why I gave up years ago on many 1:43rds models. BBR is not the only one that can't be trusted, but.....
That said; there are still some honest producers including my own company CMA. When we produce a limited edition model run, it is truly that; just a one time only production run. Only once and NO funny games later with different bases or not telling collectors that there will be several more color versions later, etc. We are up front and honest from the start. I wish other manufacturers were, but that is just not the way of the world. We never overproduce any models; if anything, we actually often under produce, and when the models are gone, well...that's just it.... they are gone, and considered rare and collectible.
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